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b3freak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:45 am
Plasma has the best contrast resolution and color reproduction, IMHO. It also handles frame rate appropriately. Both Panasonic and Sony have strong footings in the broadcast and film industry and so they understand why you don't want to fool with motion too much. Unfortunately, companies like LG and Samsung both feel the need to overclock frames to give it a more "smoooooth" look, but what happens is the dropframe-conversion (e.g. 24 fps to 60 fps) makes a nice cinematic feel look like it was recorded with a home camcorder.

Therefore, I'm not selling my Plasmas!

b3freak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:45 am Unfortunately, companies like LG and Samsung both feel the need to overclock frames to give it a more "smoooooth" look, but what happens is the dropframe-conversion (e.g. 24 fps to 60 fps) makes a nice cinematic feel look like it was recorded with a home camcorder.

OLED has the most promise. My father in law just purchased a Vizio OLED and the motion and images look really good to me, but my friend's new LG is crap! I can't stand watching movies on it. I can handle normal broadcasts like news and sports, but not movies. It kills the look. The Vizio is closer to the plasma. My wife always tells me, the plasmas just look the best. And she's right. The colors are right. The motion is right. The resolution is right. Win win win.

32wildbilly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:55 am Why did everyone stop making plasmas as the newer technology seems so glitchy?

gnat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:58 am

b3freak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:45 am Unfortunately, companies like LG and Samsung both feel the need to overclock frames to give it a more "smoooooth" look, but what happens is the dropframe-conversion (e.g. 24 fps to 60 fps) makes a nice cinematic feel look like it was recorded with a home camcorder.

What I don't understand is how people don't notice that horrid effect. I have noticed a correlation between people that are bothered by the effect and those that can see the normal frequency of fluorescent lights flickering.

OLED has the most promise. My father in law just purchased a Vizio OLED and the motion and images look really good to me, but my friend's new LG is crap! I can't stand watching movies on it. I can handle normal broadcasts like news and sports, but not movies. It kills the look. The Vizio is closer to the plasma. My wife always tells me, the plasmas just look the best. And she's right. The colors are right. The motion is right. The resolution is right. Win win win.

The last I heard (year or so ago) all OLED panels were made by LG regardless of who was branding the TV. Has that changed?

My bet is your friend just needs to turn all the picture crap off on the LG. It will look as terrible as an LCD when that garbage is turned on. The trade off is sports look like crap (soccer is the worst as you see the ball jump from one spot to the next and following the puck in hockey is impossible), but we don't watch much sports so turning all that crap off greatly improves our normal viewing.

gnat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:58 am

b3freak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:45 am Unfortunately, companies like LG and Samsung both feel the need to overclock frames to give it a more "smoooooth" look, but what happens is the dropframe-conversion (e.g. 24 fps to 60 fps) makes a nice cinematic feel look like it was recorded with a home camcorder.

What I don't understand is how people don't notice that horrid effect. I have noticed a correlation between people that are bothered by the effect and those that can see the normal frequency of fluorescent lights flickering.

OLED has the most promise. My father in law just purchased a Vizio OLED and the motion and images look really good to me, but my friend's new LG is crap! I can't stand watching movies on it. I can handle normal broadcasts like news and sports, but not movies. It kills the look. The Vizio is closer to the plasma. My wife always tells me, the plasmas just look the best. And she's right. The colors are right. The motion is right. The resolution is right. Win win win.

The last I heard (year or so ago) all OLED panels were made by LG regardless of who was branding the TV. Has that changed?

My bet is your friend just needs to turn all the picture crap off on the LG. It will look as terrible as an LCD when that garbage is turned on. The trade off is sports look like crap (soccer is the worst as you see the ball jump from one spot to the next and following the puck in hockey is impossible), but we don't watch much sports so turning all that crap off greatly improves our normal viewing.

FRUNKenstein wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:09 am Hey, has anybody seen the "Any compelling new phones out?" thread? I stumbled into here looking for it, but I'm obviously lost.

5chn3ll wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:05 pm I use the GalaxyNote for normal crap - email, taking photos, Slacking, etc. Voice calls - heh...maybe one a week. I also use it with cheapo earbuds at the gym, so I'm reluctant to give up the 1/8" headphone jack.

The camera on the Note8 is still more than sufficient for my needs. The new phones have more cameras, but the main camera on my existing phone takes awesome photos.

For the first several years of the smartphone "revolution" (i.e. post BlackBerry), I was alternating between Android and iOS every 1.5 years to remain platform agnostic, but this no longer seems necessary.

32wildbilly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:15 am

gnat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:58 am
What I don't understand is how people don't notice that horrid effect. I have noticed a correlation between people that are bothered by the effect and those that can see the normal frequency of fluorescent lights flickering.


The last I heard (year or so ago) all OLED panels were made by LG regardless of who was branding the TV. Has that changed?

My bet is your friend just needs to turn all the picture crap off on the LG. It will look as terrible as an LCD when that garbage is turned on. The trade off is sports look like crap (soccer is the worst as you see the ball jump from one spot to the next and following the puck in hockey is impossible), but we don't watch much sports so turning all that crap off greatly improves our normal viewing.

I try my best to avoid anything LG. We bought one of LG's French door lower freezer refrigerators when we moved here in 2005. It fit the space and the wife liked the handles( ) It was the biggest piece of shit appliance I have ever owned! I thought GE small appliances were bad, but they got nothing on LG's early fridges. I fought a myriad of fatal issues that I got tired of fighting. Too many service calls and repair dudes telling me "these are our bread and butter lately." After numerous mother boards, digital display modules, freezer fan motors and having to have a digital thermometer in the fridge and freezer to prevent food storage issues and wood floor damage due to leaking freezer water I pulled the plug. Literally! When we went to get a replacement guess what? Only two fit the space GE and LG. Guess which one the wife liked the handles on... So I threatened the sales guy, the owner of the store, LG and bought an extended warrantee(which I never do) held my nose and bought another one. Knock on wood this one has been acceptable, but I'm one of those once bitten twice shy kind of guys.

b3freak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:57 am

32wildbilly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:15 am
I try my best to avoid anything LG. We bought one of LG's French door lower freezer refrigerators when we moved here in 2005. It fit the space and the wife liked the handles( ) It was the biggest piece of shit appliance I have ever owned! I thought GE small appliances were bad, but they got nothing on LG's early fridges. I fought a myriad of fatal issues that I got tired of fighting. Too many service calls and repair dudes telling me "these are our bread and butter lately." After numerous mother boards, digital display modules, freezer fan motors and having to have a digital thermometer in the fridge and freezer to prevent food storage issues and wood floor damage due to leaking freezer water I pulled the plug. Literally! When we went to get a replacement guess what? Only two fit the space GE and LG. Guess which one the wife liked the handles on... So I threatened the sales guy, the owner of the store, LG and bought an extended warrantee(which I never do) held my nose and bought another one. Knock on wood this one has been acceptable, but I'm one of those once bitten twice shy kind of guys.

The only LG appliance that I own is a microwave. One of those custom install models that mounts above the stove. Does it work reliably? Nope! Randomly causes a short which in turns throws a breaker. Ugh! I'm too lazy to replace it. It's cheaper for me to run down to the basement and reset the breaker when my wife screams, "The Microwave is off again!!!"