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Post by theprf » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:34 am

gnat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:42 am
theprf wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:42 am I have an opportunity to buy a first-gen Cayenne V8 for a very good price, high miles ~150k, good condition.
The OG Cayenne is a solid vehicle even if it's interior is rather dated at this point and you can usually get them dirt cheap. I haven't looked in awhile, but you used to be able to get Turbos for only a couple K more than the S which made an S kinda silly.
Actually the Cayenne I was offered is a Turbo. 160k miles, $9k, has the towing equipment installed, new propshaft, new wheel bearings, new tires, new OEM headlights, it looks like it's got 40K miles on it. Supposedly everything works. It will need the coolant pipes replaced as they are the plastic ones which looks like $800 in parts.
I'm familiar with the Porsche coolant pipes, I have some 996 Turbos.

If the possibility of bore scoring can be mitigated with driving style I can certainly do that.

Edit to add, diesel Touaregs are available for $16k ish with 120k ish miles. Eight months ago they were a lot cheaper - like all other cars.

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Re: Good Week @ 996Outpost.com

Post by theprf » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:50 am

I think the answer is no for that Cayenne. A local friend sent me this picture of his first 955 Cayenne Turbo.
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He says he did everything right and still got scoring. He drove it year round.

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Post by gnat » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:10 am

theprf wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:50 am I think the answer is no for that Cayenne. A local friend sent me this picture of his first 955 Cayenne Turbo.
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He says he did everything right and still got scoring. He drove it year round.
You're North of me still, but we had the 996 for 15 years before I ever heard about bore scoring and Jake's recommendations for avoidance. The car has spent it's entire life outside and has been driven in weather from 0f to 110f. We never changed oil weights for the winter (still don't), always used M1 ( :o ), oil was changed by miles rather than time (which hit 2 years a couple of times), and never specifically avoided the red line before the engine was warm. When I had the bores scoped a couple years ago they were nice and smooth with no signs of scoring top or bottom.

I'm not discounting Jake's view by any means (now that I know better I do follow his warm up advice and we are changing the oil based on time now (Motul is what our Indy uses)), I'm just saying that (like I believe for the IMSB too) if the P!g otherwise passed a good inspection and the bores are currently clean that I wouldn't stress over it. It certainly may fail on you, but I think there are better odds that it wouldn't.

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Post by Dr_Strangelove » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:51 am

$9,000 is pretty cheap fun, though. You could scoop it up and dump it for $6,000 a few years later if you get sick of it or if it's too much of a headache. Even if you discover scoring it's not like it's just going to stop running instantly.
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Post by 5chn3ll » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:34 pm

If the car is going to bring you happiness despite the concerns about the engine, it's worth it. If the worrying is going to outweigh any enjoyment you'd get from owning it, walk away.

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Post by FRUNKenstein » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:47 pm

theprf wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:34 am
gnat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:42 am
The OG Cayenne is a solid vehicle even if it's interior is rather dated at this point and you can usually get them dirt cheap. I haven't looked in awhile, but you used to be able to get Turbos for only a couple K more than the S which made an S kinda silly.
Actually the Cayenne I was offered is a Turbo. 160k miles, $9k, has the towing equipment installed, new propshaft, new wheel bearings, new tires, new OEM headlights, it looks like it's got 40K miles on it. Supposedly everything works. It will need the coolant pipes replaced as they are the plastic ones which looks like $800 in parts.
I'm familiar with the Porsche coolant pipes, I have some 996 Turbos.

If the possibility of bore scoring can be mitigated with driving style I can certainly do that.

Edit to add, diesel Touaregs are available for $16k ish with 120k ish miles. Eight months ago they were a lot cheaper - like all other cars.
We've had 2 high mileage '06 Cayenne S models. One we still own - max$wag drives it at college. Sits for weeks at a time outside during winter. 175k miles. No problems. Other one was sold to one of my paralegals 2 years ago. It has 140k+ miles on it. I sold it to him for $6,000. He's getting ready to sell it now, and asking price will be $9,000. Well, bless his heart.
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Post by gnat » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:03 pm

theprf wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:34 am
gnat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:42 am
The OG Cayenne is a solid vehicle even if it's interior is rather dated at this point and you can usually get them dirt cheap. I haven't looked in awhile, but you used to be able to get Turbos for only a couple K more than the S which made an S kinda silly.
Actually the Cayenne I was offered is a Turbo. 160k miles, $9k, has the towing equipment installed, new propshaft, new wheel bearings, new tires, new OEM headlights, it looks like it's got 40K miles on it. Supposedly everything works. It will need the coolant pipes replaced as they are the plastic ones which looks like $800 in parts.
At $9k, buy it, change the coolant pipes, and drive the shit out of it. That is a beast of a vehicle for $9k.
Edit to add, diesel Touaregs are available for $16k ish with 120k ish miles. Eight months ago they were a lot cheaper - like all other cars.
For $2k more consider that diesel Cayenne I posted. Then you can do this while getting great MPG to and from the track: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WRkBMvUrMVXN3rAC6 :twisted:

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Post by FRUNKenstein » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:22 pm

BTW, we never changed the coolant pipes on either of our Cayennes. I never bothered to stick an endoscope down there to see if they had been changed by a previous owner, so maybe they both had been changed already. But, at the prices we paid for them (both bought at dealer auctions, one for ~$8,000 and the other for ~$6,000), I figured I'd drive them and deal with the issue if it broke. Not fixing sh!t that's not broken is the nice thing about driving cheap cars.
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Re: Good Week @ 996Outpost.com

Post by gnat » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:40 pm

FRUNKenstein wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:22 pm BTW, we never changed the coolant pipes on either of our Cayennes. I never bothered to stick an endoscope down there to see if they had been changed by a previous owner, so maybe they both had been changed already. But, at the prices we paid for them (both bought at dealer auctions, one for ~$8,000 and the other for ~$6,000), I figured I'd drive them and deal with the issue if it broke. Not fixing sh!t that's not broken is the nice thing about driving cheap cars.
Generally I agree, but the problem (and what many people skip which is why you need someone that knows about the problem to really check it over) is that when the pipe goes it dumps all the coolant on your alternator and xfer case. As it either dies or it doesn't, the alternator is generally safe to assume it's ok from a simple power check. If the pipes go on your watch, however, and the alternator does go it is really expensive as it is water cooled.

The more insidious issue is the seals on the xfer case. In all cases that I'm aware of it is just a matter of time before the seals fail and there is no indication until your xfer case shits itself and that is quite an expensive repair (on a 6-9k car, just tow it to the junk yard). When the pipes let go you are supposed to replace the seal on the xfer case, but that isn't exactly cheap so many people opt to skip it to save the money. This is why someone that knows the 955s and 957s well should look it over as it is apparently easy to tell if there was a leak previously or not. If there are signs of a leak and no documentation on the xfer seal being replace, you should walk away.

I haven't seen prices in awhile, but it used to be around $1500 for parts and labor to have an Indy replace the part with the metal version. While not pleasant on a <$10k car, it's better than it failing and either junking the car or shelling out $6k+ in repairs. Doubly so in my opinion if you are towing with it as that will generally make things run hotter and hasten the plastic coupling's demise.

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Post by 32wildbilly » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:33 pm

SERIOUSLY!!??
gnat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:40 pm If the pipes go on your watch, however, and the alternator does go it is really expensive as it is water cooled.
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