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Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 4:54 am
by 32wildbilly
...has more bells and whistles than any car needs. Of interest to me as I go through the manual and review the online stuff is the Adaptive Cruise and Pilot Assist. On every page talking about these systems there is at the least the following warnings:
Warning
Pilot Assist is not a collision avoidance system. The driver must intervene if the system does not detect a vehicle in front.
Pilot Assist does not brake for people, animals, objects, small vehicles (e.g. cycles and motorcycles), low trailers as well as oncoming, slow or stationary vehicles.
Do not use Pilot Assist in demanding situations, such as in city traffic, at junctions, on slippery surfaces, with a lot of water or slush on the road, in heavy rain/snow, in poor visibility, on winding roads, on slip roads, or with a trailer connected to the car.
Warning
The Pilot Assist function is supplementary driver support intended to facilitate driving and make it safer – it cannot handle all situations in all traffic, weather and road conditions.
The driver is advised to read all sections in the Owner's Manual that relate to this function to learn about factors such as its limitations and what the driver should be aware of before using the system (see the list of links at the end of this article).
Pilot Assist must only be used if there are clear lane lines painted on each side of the lane. All other use involves increased risk of contact with surrounding obstacles that cannot be detected by the function.
Pilot Assist is not a substitute for the driver's attention and judgement. The driver is always responsible for ensuring the car is driven in a safe manner, positioned correctly in the lane, at the appropriate speed, with an appropriate distance to other vehicles, and in accordance with current traffic rules and regulations.
I wonder if Tesla has similar verbiage? Maybe Tesla says "Set Autopilot then sleep, read, play video games or crawl into the backseat..." I bet it doesn't say that. People are just stupid, listen to the hype and don't read the manual.

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 6:37 am
by gnat
Congratulations. You are in the 1% that reads the manual!

Bet your sales person didn't go over all that when selling the feature to you...

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 7:24 am
by B3DAWG
32wildbilly wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 4:54 am ...has more bells and whistles than any car needs. Of interest to me as I go through the manual and review the online stuff is the Adaptive Cruise and Pilot Assist. On every page talking about these systems there is at the least the following warnings:
Warning
Pilot Assist is not a collision avoidance system. The driver must intervene if the system does not detect a vehicle in front.
Pilot Assist does not brake for people, animals, objects, small vehicles (e.g. cycles and motorcycles), low trailers as well as oncoming, slow or stationary vehicles.
Do not use Pilot Assist in demanding situations, such as in city traffic, at junctions, on slippery surfaces, with a lot of water or slush on the road, in heavy rain/snow, in poor visibility, on winding roads, on slip roads, or with a trailer connected to the car.
Warning
The Pilot Assist function is supplementary driver support intended to facilitate driving and make it safer – it cannot handle all situations in all traffic, weather and road conditions.
The driver is advised to read all sections in the Owner's Manual that relate to this function to learn about factors such as its limitations and what the driver should be aware of before using the system (see the list of links at the end of this article).
Pilot Assist must only be used if there are clear lane lines painted on each side of the lane. All other use involves increased risk of contact with surrounding obstacles that cannot be detected by the function.
Pilot Assist is not a substitute for the driver's attention and judgement. The driver is always responsible for ensuring the car is driven in a safe manner, positioned correctly in the lane, at the appropriate speed, with an appropriate distance to other vehicles, and in accordance with current traffic rules and regulations.
I wonder if Tesla has similar verbiage? Maybe Tesla says "Set Autopilot then sleep, read, play video games or crawl into the backseat..." I bet it doesn't say that. People are just stupid, listen to the hype and don't read the manual.
Volvo, being the benchmark standard for automotive safety technology, puts a lot of this verbiage in their manuals because they know autonomous technology can risky and can give a false sense of security in real driving situations... this means a liability to Volvo. Like a lot of autonomous safety features (e.g. City Safety) they've come up with, I still don't trust it. I use common sense and drive slow in congested areas and slam on the brakes when a little kid runs out in the road to catch a ball or something. I don't wait for "the machine" to SEE the little kid.

Do kids still play ball in the yards anymore?

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 8:16 am
by 32wildbilly
Nope! He was too busy trying to convince me that doc fees is how he gets paid(wrong), trying to up-sell extended warranties and other dealer profit generating things.

I have a long history of disliking car sales people. It has been so bad in the past Jeanne doesn't even want to go with me to negotiate a purchase. I have mellowed somewhat...

I have always believed in RTFM especially a car like this because it has so much stuff that can be used, customized, sorted and displayed that if you don't read you could end up not using half of the stuff you paid for! It is a struggle to read the manual because Swedish people write differently than we do when using the English language.
Gratuitous pic
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gnat wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 6:37 am Congratulations. You are in the 1% that reads the manual!

Bet your sales person didn't go over all that when selling the feature to you...

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 8:22 am
by 32wildbilly
Common sense seems to be lacking in most folks these days and no kids don't play ball in the yard anymore. There's video games for that... :(
b3freak wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 7:24 am Volvo, being the benchmark standard for automotive safety technology, puts a lot of this verbiage in their manuals because they know autonomous technology can risky and can give a false sense of security in real driving situations... this means a liability to Volvo. Like a lot of autonomous safety features (e.g. City Safety) they've come up with, I still don't trust it. I use common sense and drive slow in a congested area or slam on the brakes when a little kid runs out in the road to catch a ball or something. I don't wait for "the machine" to SEE the little kid.

Do kids still play ball in the yards anymore?

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 8:30 am
by 32wildbilly
BTW joined a Volvo XC40 forum(IBA which is same as Rennlist dammit!) to see what people are complaining about. It is a ghost town. Plenty of people looking at your posts but nobody responding to questions or making smart azz comments. BORING!

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 10:12 am
by FRUNKenstein
Wait, it actually has a paper owner’s manual?

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 10:52 am
by 32wildbilly
Why yes...yes it does. However, there at least three versions of a manual online although not extremely user friendly. I can't find in either media a page(s) that shows you a list of pics of the possible warning/indicators with a description. You have to figure out what it might be and sort through that function to see if it displayed. Must be a Swedish thang!

So far I do like the car just wished it had a few more ponies although I haven't driven it too much. Rated at 248hp/5500rpm and 258tor. 1800-4800rpm. It is capable but doesn't "feel" fast/quick even in Dynamic mode. i'm beginning to believe I'm turning into a speed freak as I get older. I might have to breakdown and buy the Volvo Polestar flash which remaps engine response, suspension settings, etc.

I want to say it does 0-60 in about 6.6 seconds but I might be mistaken. Maybe I should just drive it and accept what it is.
FRUNKenstein wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:12 am Wait, it actually has a paper owner’s manual?

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:39 am
by 32wildbilly
Your question valid. It does NOT have a paper owner's manual! It has a "Quick Start Guide and a Supplemental Owners manual" which is sketchy to say the best. Nice catch!
FRUNKenstein wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:12 am Wait, it actually has a paper owner’s manual?

Re: Our new to us Volvo XC40 R-Design...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:59 am
by Dgi 07
32wildbilly wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 4:54 am
Warning
Pilot Assist is not a collision avoidance system...........

Do not use Pilot Assist in demanding situations, such as in city traffic, at junctions, on slippery surfaces, with a lot of water or slush on the road, in heavy rain/snow, in poor visibility, on winding roads, on slip roads, or with a trailer connected to the car.
Warning
The Pilot Assist function is supplementary driver support .......
These should be highlighted and bold.
They are assist systems. To Assist the driver, not to take over completely.
Also, doesn't work in fog and dusty conditions.

I'm a tech for MB, so I get to play with all these systems every day. There are a lot of shortcomings of all the systems.